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We are Half Century Hangout where different perspectives make for better discussions.! John, Luke and Chuck are three guys who grew up differently but became good friends with a lot to talk about. On this show three unique perspectives are brought to the table where we dive into everything from current events to life's big questions. We might not always see eye to eye... But that's exactly why we're here. So grab a seat and join us for honest conversation, unexpected insights, and a few friendly arguments.
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Beyond the Shamrocks: Exploring Cultural Traditions and Personal Connections
The threads of tradition weave through our lives in ways we often don't recognize until we pause to examine them. What makes a tradition meaningful? When should traditions evolve? How have the customs of our childhood shaped who we are today?
The conversation begins with nostalgic tales of St. Patrick's Day celebrations in Chicago, complete with insider tips about the authentic South Side Irish Parade where "Guinness is flowing at 7 o'clock in the morning." These cultural experiences form lasting connections that transcend whether or not we actually have Irish heritage—they become part of our story simply through participation.
As the hosts share their vastly different upbringings, a fascinating contrast emerges. From small-town Swedish community celebrations to deeply Lutheran family rituals to a childhood relatively free from traditions, each background has uniquely shaped how they approach life today. One host admits to resisting the very word "tradition," preferring to think in terms of "rhythms" rather than following practices simply because they've always been done.
We discover how food binds generations together through holiday meals and special recipes passed down through families. The hosts reflect on how their family traditions have transformed as children grow up and form families of their own, revealing that meaningful traditions don't disappear entirely—they adapt while maintaining their core purpose of connecting us to something larger than ourselves.
Whether it's carving initials into a bar top that will be preserved for future generations or returning to deer camp after years away, our traditions reveal what we truly value. As Gustav Mahler wisely noted, "Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire." Join us as we explore how to keep that fire burning brightly while still making room for changes that come with each new season of life.
yeah, here we go. It's great to be back. Welcome back to the half century hangout. We're here in luke's garage this weekend or this week and, uh, you know we record a little bit before the podcast comes out. So it's almost saint patrick Day and we're looking at maybe looking at some traditions.
Speaker 2:I love St Patrick's Day. I am not in any way shape form, anything, as far as the lineage has ever proven to be a bit of Irish, but I just love it and I think it comes back to the point that I lived in Chicago for such a long time and it's just the place to be at St Patrick's. So anybody that's listening, including you guys, obviously it's a bucket list kind of thing. The St Patrick's Day festivities in Chicago, yeah, choice, great stuff, place to be. And I will just say this, this I'll give one travel bit of advice if you're gonna go, you can go watch them die the river green, you know that's fine that's fine.
Speaker 2:It's the river run, that's fine but then don't go to that parade, the one that's, you know, the one that they would play on tv and all that. Right, you go to the south side irish parade. That's where all the police, the fire. You know they're down there on the Southside. You go down there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Guinness is flowing at 7 o'clock in the morning. You're out there and that is my next bucket list item is kilt, cable knit sweater Guinness. 7 o'clock am and I will be able to play the bagpipes by then.
Speaker 1:That's the South Side O'Chicago. Yeah, we're going to have some fun. Baddest part of town.
Speaker 2:We're going to have some fun.
Speaker 1:There you go. That'll be fun.
Speaker 2:I'm not going there this weekend, but you know.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of traditions that go on around St Patrick's Day, aren't there Quite?
Speaker 2:a few. Yeah, day, aren't there?
Speaker 3:quite a few. Yeah, you gotta have some corned beef, right, you know you're gonna do that corned beef cabbage, yeah carrots, potatoes, I will tell you I'll.
Speaker 2:I'll say this here's my shout out. I'm doing my shout out a little early, yeah, because my wife becky makes the best reuben sandwiches around. So that's our reuben. Our saint patrick's day is the reuben sandwich, with the sauerkraut, the corned beef, the marble rye bread, and she makes it Ah, choice.
Speaker 3:I love a good Reuben sandwich, but you know I just can't hardly get past the cabbage. I love cooked cabbage.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, really, we still do Cooked cabbage.
Speaker 3:Absolutely 100%.
Speaker 2:Well, you, know, without the sauerkraut, right? I mean it's just regular cooked cabbage, because obviously that's what sauerkraut is, but it's, like you, the cabbage in the, the boiled dinner, as they called it, right, you know you do that with new red potatoes. Yep, yep, you know you do that. It's great stuff. Great stuff. That's what I had like growing up and then kind of, as I was in chicago, kind of still did that a little bit and you would go to bars, taverns, irish pubs around, and they always had it out.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you guys had it or not, but one of the best places around here that I've had cabbage and corn, beef, carrots and potatoes was Caddy's down on the block. Now it's only brunch, only now, I know. So that kind of sucks. Maybe they'll do something special for corn beef.
Speaker 2:I saw somewhere. I don't remember where the place was, but somebody is making Reuben egg rolls this week. Oh wow, that's not some, some establishment.
Speaker 1:I remember where it was, but I should research that I have seen those and I've had a few Reuben egg rolls. They're pretty good. They're pretty good.
Speaker 3:So I found out that I actually I didn't find out till later in life. I always wanted to be Irish, because the Irish traditions, I think, are so cool and the accent's freaking amazing, right. But I didn't find out till like two years ago that I actually have a like a good percentage of Irish in me. Mcmahon, mcmahon, mcmahon yeah, that's a, that's, that's my. Where I came from, dublin, is where my great granddaddy, great, great great granddaddy came from, or whatever nice.
Speaker 2:I grew up down in stanton, iowa, and, uh, very swedish very swedish and yeah, I was gonna say nothing to do with going down the irish road.
Speaker 1:I'm like I don't think stan's got a ton of irish. I got no, no irish whatsoever I don't think so at all no, no irish in no Irish in me. Very, very Swedish in German. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Schultz, yeah, very German yeah.
Speaker 2:I know nothing Nein.
Speaker 1:That's it. You know, it's great to be a principal when you're Schultz, yeah.
Speaker 2:So what's our shout outs this week? What do we got? Who do we got?
Speaker 3:Man we have got a lot of good things, I think. I think, going on one of the shout outs I'd like to give out, we got new listeners in new york city. Wow, um, in a suburb of um, london, it's like I want to say higginbotham, but that's not it. It's like higdon or something like that, but we don't even know how to pronounce.
Speaker 1:It's a suburb of london which I thought was cool, kind of cool they found this.
Speaker 3:I didn't even know london had suburb yeah, and then, uh, there was a lady on a pretty big town on spotify that actually gave us a a good shout out about our, uh, about our logo, samantha mccart.
Speaker 1:There you go, that's cool samantha mccart, and that's a great. I love the new name too, right, mccart, yeah I think um.
Speaker 2:my shout out goes to Bert Cooper. He's over in Omaha, listen to us.
Speaker 3:All right, Bert.
Speaker 2:Gotta love Bert. He's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1:Was Bert over here last night?
Speaker 2:Bert was over here last night.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, His wife.
Speaker 2:Kathy's there and Haley and Hope the daughters are there and good folks over there right over near brian high school right on.
Speaker 1:I love brian high school. I I spent a lot of time down by brian high school.
Speaker 2:That's one of the places that we're going to go on. Saturday is darby's darby darby's okay, shout out for darby, kind of over that way but, speaking, we kind of went down the road a little bit, but we were talking about traditions, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, traditions. They're kind of threads that connect our past to our present and our future, really, and traditions are help to shape us as individuals and organizations, our cultures. We could talk about habits maybe. And it's Easter time, it's springtime and there's always a lot of traditions that go on. It might be passed through our family or companies or even educational institutions. We got colors and songs and all kinds of things that happen with traditions. So that's what we are going to discuss today A little bit of tradition. Got some questions for you, if you got some answers.
Speaker 2:I think, if you guys have kind of picked up on it a of times, obviously our our previous topics lead over into the next, right? So those connections that john talked about with traditions are part of. What we spoke about last time was those connections of friendships and how we build those and how that works, and sure so, when we were talking about this, this is kind of where the tradition part came in, because we know that that connects us not just to a group of people but just to kind of where the tradition part came in, cause we know that that connects us not just to a group of people but just to kind of life in general. It might hook us up to family, it might be friends, it might be times of the year, like Chuck was talking about holidays. I mean, there's so many things that we can talk about. Traditions, um, and I think that it's important for us to see them and to know that they exist and to acknowledge them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think there may be a certain percentage of people out there, if they're like me, that may buck at that word tradition, because I'm not, like, proud of traditions, but I think still everybody falls into them them. What I tend to use is the word rhythms. You know those types of that. That's a word that I use. I have these normal rhythms of my life. But most probably, most people probably call those traditions right habits well, why do you balk at the word traditions, though?
Speaker 2:what is, what's that?
Speaker 3:so for me, tradition speaks of dead Like it's just dead Really, like it's just something that is normal. Check the box, no effort put into it, that I have to follow the expectations of people long before me Rules.
Speaker 1:You're talking about rules.
Speaker 3:Yeah and traditional. You know about rules. Yeah and traditional. Sometimes, you know, I don't, I tend not to be very traditional, but I don't, maybe I am in a whole different way, right?
Speaker 2:Possible. Yeah, I think the difference, though and I and I hear what you're saying, there's actually a quote that that I had seen about it it was blindly following tradition does not mean the dead are living, but that the living are dead. Yeah, okay, Very true. And I think, though, that tradition can change as the years go right, like, for instance, the Bible. Okay, the Bible has a lot of stories in it that we can look at that story in black and white and really not understand how it applies to now, but you have to mold it a little bit right to be able to make it applicable in our day and age.
Speaker 2:And I think traditions are the same way. I think that we look at it, maybe when it was put into place by whoever it was, or whatever it was and whatever their surroundings were, but we can look at it now and say, okay, you know we could still do that, but we have a little more focus on this. You know what I mean? Like there's something different. So I hear what you're saying, that you don't want to just follow a tradition, just to follow it, just to say that you are. But some of them, I think you know, kind of like the Michigan Fight song.
Speaker 3:That's a traditional thing played in the last game of the football season of college when that song is played when they defeat the uh, that team down south. You know over there the buckeyes, yeah, so when I think of tradition, um, it's interesting that you actually had that quote that mentioned the word dead, and I was how I described, because I didn't talk about this no, no I.
Speaker 3:I know, and so tradition. I think it has to be like the what has to be explained by the why, Like why do you do this thing, why do you feel like this is important? And I think once I can get to the why and I agree with the why, then the what becomes more meaningful for you.
Speaker 1:Sure, well, and we've all been in companies or organizations that have traditions, right, and what you got to find, I think, is and what you two are talking about you got to find the ones that help you get to where you want to be, to where you want to be, so the values, the goals of that company, of that organization, whatever it is, and you got to find the ones that fit that. And so, really, I think traditions help you get to some of those values that an organization should have.
Speaker 3:So we talked about St Patrick's Day, right. It's kind of like how we kicked off this show. Do you guys know the story of who St Patrick was? I might a little bit.
Speaker 2:I'm sure I remember some of it.
Speaker 3:Share it with us, John. I figured you probably would, John, but share it with us.
Speaker 1:Well, St Patrick was actually the saint who brought the Catholic Church to Ireland.
Speaker 3:Right, and I would not say the Catholic church, though that that was what he did. I would say the gospel. He brought the truth of the gospel to Ireland.
Speaker 1:Yes, and and you know we can disagree on that, but also there's some you know traditions around there. He also got rid of all the snakes in which may be I didn't know this piece there's some you know traditions around there. He also got rid of all the snakes in Ireland. Yeah, which may be a folk tale, but who knows?
Speaker 2:I almost got one of those shirts the other day. Like the snakes are gone, let's have a beer. You know what I mean. Like it was one of those things. Yeah, you didn't know that. Oh yeah, that was like that's one of the big things that he did, was he got rid of the snakes?
Speaker 1:and got rid of all the snakes in ireland. But you know, ireland may not have had a whole lot I don't know if there was a whole, it's an island he basically got rid of both of them, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, all three of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they were, but anyway that's, he brought the gospel to ireland absolutely and became a saint because of it. So the Catholic church made him a saint.
Speaker 3:Right, and so what? It's what that tradition has evolved into today a lot of people don't even realize. They just think it's a time to party, when we're actually celebrating the gospel moving into new places around the world, Right.
Speaker 2:Way back in what? But isn't that why you're celebrating? Heck? Yeah, Because the gospel is there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but people forget about it, oh, I know. So that why makes more sense for me, for the what?
Speaker 2:Chuck, I think what I'm going to say is that the tradition part there's lots of traditions that people have and, like you talked about holiday tradition, right, okay, yeah, so you might not think of those negatively because it's stuff that your family did over the years or you know whatever it is, and so I think there's there's might almost be like, um, like categories of traditions, if you want to say, okay, like if we're just doing something to do it, because some people 100 years ago did it you know, whatever that's more ritualistic, yeah yeah, I would say that I'm not into that rhythm word that you use because it sends me somewhere else, but I think that ritual might be a little different.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like there's another ridiculous ritual, chicago thing, which is that bottle over there. It's called malort. Have you ever heard of this?
Speaker 2:uh-uh, anyway, I lost fantasy football league and the loser has to drink this malort, and that's the stuff, right there okay and if you google it sometime and check it out, this is like the worst drink on the face of the earth, and malort even admits that it is. They know that it is okay, but it's like a chicago thing and and actually on their website or on youtube or somewhere they actually have a contest for malort face, which is what your face looks like after you drink some. Because it's so bad.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, so and some traditions should die. You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean right, but now I'm curious but well, when the show is over, if you'd like to try, I would be more than happy to pour you one. Anyway, I think that, like you said, it might be a little semantics as we look at it.
Speaker 2:You know, with traditions, like with Christmas or you know, whatever it is, and I think that some of those things we pass down in our families, you know from one generation to the next, not necessarily like this global thing from a bunch of people that we probably never even knew before. You know what I mean. So some of it, I think, is compartmentalized a little bit.
Speaker 1:So this is a good question what family or culture or traditions from your childhood have had the most impact or significant impact on your adult life, oh my goodness. And how do they continue to shape your values and decision? What things Now? Like I said, I grew up in Stanton, iowa, very small town, very Swedish. We learned Swedish songs in school. We learned Swedish dances in school. We learned Swedish dances in school. We had a lot of traditions that were handed down and a lot of the things that were handed down were community.
Speaker 3:So this was a family. This was more of Stanton as a community.
Speaker 1:Community but also a family. This was more of Stanton as a community. Community but also a family. I kind of look at community as a family and that's what I remember and has shaped me into my adult life. I remember that community and that feeling of being a part of something bigger than me and and that has shaped me as a, as an adult and has helped me want to be that person for other people. So that might be something to think about.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think for me, and it's, and it's difficult because you guys know some of the stories and I'm not going to bore you with it, but it's, it's, my life's gone a lot of different ways over the years, right, and I and I, I think I probably I think I probably missed some of that, like there's some of that where I wish that, like where I live now, like I had that group of people or that, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I could call it traditions, but it's more of, like you said, the family part of things that you do or things that you always talk about, or things that you always do on this date or whatever it is, whatever that. And I think that growing up when I was little, I remember a lot of those things and a lot of it was tied with the church. As Lutheran, we go through these things. There's a lot of different stuff that we did and my folks were super involved in the church, which meant that my sister and I were super involved in the church, which was great, but we were always at the church. We lived across the street and if somebody needed to get into the building, they came to our house to get the key from my dad.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean it was always something right and my parents served great for their whole life. They were very, very well involved in the church and they did a lot of things for the church and I think that growing up, like I was centered around that, almost to the point that you know, going to a Lutheran grade school and then a Lutheran high school and then a Lutheran college, right, do I want to say, I kind of got burned out from a little bit, cause, you know, as a teenager and then growing up I was kind of like, well, you know, I don't know if I want to go a different route or if I want to do this, whatever it was, but I think now as an adult, like you said, john, it kind of still has formed you into the person that you are. So the things that you think about, maybe at particular times of the year or in certain circumstances that you recall, maybe even not consciously, you know, like it's subconsciously, that huh yeah, this is how you're supposed to feel about that. Huh, yeah, this is how you're supposed to feel about this, or this is how you're supposed to think about this, or this is how I'm supposed to react to this, or you know, whatever it is right.
Speaker 2:Like I don't know if you guys have these, but there's those moments where for me, a lot of times it happens to be like a song or something comes up or something is talked about and it might take me back and I get a little, you know, a little emotional about it, which and I don't, and I have to sometimes maybe later sit back and go why did I feel emotional about that? And then it kind of takes me to it. I'm like oh, now I remember it was because of this or because of this, and I think that that's how, at least for me, some of those things things have have formed me as a person, if you want to say right, probably had more of an impact on my life than I even know that they have.
Speaker 3:yeah, that makes sense I think the reality is that sometimes our you are, the way we grew up, does form us, you know, either in a negatively or a positive way, kind, just it's part of our story as we, as we journey through life. But I grew up very different from you guys. I really didn't have much of a community up until I was probably 13, 14, maybe 15 years old that I would like identify as a, as a community. We weren't like your little small town of Stanton, iowa, nothing like the East end of Dayton, ohio, like nothing like it. You know, um, I mean, there's still people, they're probably mostly blue collar but still a very different.
Speaker 3:You know more urban setting, for sure, and, um, you know I didn't grow up in in church, uh, so we didn't have those normal rhythms of going to you know those gatherings, you know, for church or anything like that. So a lot of my traditions, if you want to call them that rhythms, really didn't start until later, in my late high school years and then, after I met my wife Jen, we started a few traditions. But it's interesting, as I was listening to you guys talk, I'm seeing my kids develop traditions. It's almost like they have a thirst. It'll be interesting, after they listen to this, to talk to them and see what their thoughts are around it. But it's almost like they have a thirst for more traditions, because I don't know that we had a whole lot of those. It's kind of funny that you say that, because this year.
Speaker 2:This year finally came up that um, some of the traditions that we've had, that um with our kids. They're older now, right, and some of them are like, oh, do we, are we still gonna do that? Like some of the new generation doesn't think the same way about it. They don't necessarily bring all those things in and we're like, oh, do we, are we still gonna do that? Like some of the new generation doesn't think the same way about it. They don't necessarily bring all those things in and they're super receptive.
Speaker 2:This is corny or this is you know, whatever. So you kind of like, well, we did, we adjusted it a little bit, sure, and we just say, oh well, you know, we don't have to go as full as we did last, you know before, when we used to, yeah, but I think that that's where traditions. For me it's kind of like if I didn't have lasagna on christmas eve, something's wrong somewhere. Like something wouldn't fit.
Speaker 2:You know, like the world's spinning in the opposite direction yeah, which it isn't, and we all know that, but I think that it's just. It's little things like that. It seems for me, like with my family I mean, we're norwegian and german is that a lot of it's centered around food and celebrations of some sort? Yep, um, obviously the church part was part of it, but you know it involves I mean, I know it's hard to believe but around alcohol sometimes. Okay, as I get older. But even with my, with the kids, you know we sit at these tables and you can see the bar John, where we're sitting. You know my kids come out and that's like a tradition we have now that we started. They're going to come out and they're going to carve their names or their things into this bar and as the years have gone, at least for a couple of them, their initials changed right, because they got married, so they changed them and they you know, which is cool.
Speaker 2:It's just kind of neat to see like a family progression of stuff and makes you proud as a parent, and then you want to see your grandkids do it and all these things. And as I repurpose this bar over the years, this part's never going away up on top. It'll get put into whatever bar that comes in here. But I think those are the type.
Speaker 2:like you said, you're starting new things because your kids are kind of yearning for something you know, like they hear you tell stories about something or you know whatever it could be, but they might be yearning for it. So what you know? I think it's a way for us to connect with our kids on a different level, because they're a different, obviously, generation than we are Right, and we try to listen to what they're saying. It's, it's fun.
Speaker 3:they always listen to what we're saying. But they're, you know, they're trying and as we get older I think you know, I you know, entering the 50s, you guys are empty nesters. I'm empty nester kind of. But uh, as we become empty nesters, those traditions change. So it's like, whatever traditions we have, we had had to stop because our kids got married or moved out, got married, whatever, and we're just hoping at some point they include us in some of their traditions.
Speaker 1:Right, well and maybe didn't stop, but but just changed, I mean. I mean life does change and your traditions change with life, because your kids get older, they get married and they have other families.
Speaker 2:That they have to be a part of. And I think and I think I mentioned it before, but like some of those connections, right, we talked about people right in your life in a previous episode, like my cousin Eric who's up North in Michigan. Right, I hadn't been up there in five years. We used to go to deer camp every year.
Speaker 1:Every November 15th. I was there Right.
Speaker 2:Well, it's been a while. That's a tradition.
Speaker 3:I went back this year.
Speaker 2:It's like we never missed a beat. It was the same thing. Nothing's changed, you know. I mean we still talk and we still message each other and whatever, and we talk about deer season when it's deer season. But some of those things were embedded so hard when you were a kid and growing up in your family and it wasn't just him and I was my dad and my grandpa, you know it was. I have pictures all the way down the line of stuff, the ones that form you the most, like they don't change, the ones that formed you, that most are the same.
Speaker 1:You might not experience them as often, but it's still there yeah, it's still part of you and it does form you. It forms you as a person, and I think I grew up in a very church family too, and we we spent a lot of time at church. My dad was the organist, the choir director did all the decorating and all that, and so, you're right, my sister and I spent a lot of time at church, and church was a big part of the tradition that we grew up with, and family was a big part of the tradition that we grew up with, and family was a big part of it. So I grew up in a small town, our small town. One of the kids that I grew up with talked about we grew up in a box. What's in the box? Yeah, what's in the box? But anyway, we grew up in a box of. We had borders we had, we had just, everybody kept you within that box. They sheltered you from some of the world.
Speaker 3:That was going on because of the traditions that you you grew up with and that box was kind of hemmed in by cornfields, right, yes, yes, I mean, is that kind of the direction you're going.
Speaker 1:Interesting enough, my wife went to a football game in my hometown and said I've never been to a football game where I've seen a cornfield behind the football field.
Speaker 2:And it's different and it's coming here here. You know not having lived here obviously my whole life, but friday night lights was always a big thing for me no matter where?
Speaker 2:right, yeah, and I remember, um, taking my oldest son, we went to a uh, a town in morris, illinois, who, with this, was just a great little football town, great, great little town. It's kind of a southwest, far southwest suburb of Chicago Always had a really tough football program. It was great. But we went to a playoff game there on a Friday night and we wound up putting Nathan I don't remember how old he was, he wasn't very old Put him up on top of the concession stand. It was closed down because they ran out of food because people got there at 5 o'clock and ate dinner, so there was nothing left. So the concession stand was like a barn. It was closed down and I put him on top of the roof so he could see the game because there was just so many people.
Speaker 2:But then coming here and seeing cornfields in the background of some of our games like even some of the games we go to there's corn there, you know, and it's's like you got to make sure those guys aren't cutting stocks down in the in the fall and putting dust all over the field, right, but I think one of the things, as we're sitting here and I and it's up on the tv screen right now and in this time of the year. For me, around saint patrick's day has always been since I've grown up a little, you know, and this wasn't a thing when I was a kid, necessarily, but it's like traditions for me of watching things or doing things are about people, right, it's about spending time with people and being around, people that you enjoy being around. I mean, that's just kind of a thing where I think that and, as I look at it as the other ones that we talked about, like the family ones, that's what it's about, I mean, the act of whatever the tradition actually is, whether it's hiding a pickle in a Christmas tree or whatever it is. Those things it's not about the actual act. It's about the actual act. It's about the people that you're with. It's your kids, it's your parents, it's your grandparents, it's your friends, it's your.
Speaker 2:Whatever it is, yeah, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:Well, gentlemen, that might be enough for this week. We probably can pick this up again next week about traditions. We've talked a little bit about it. What a great discussion, huh? Absolutely Wonderful discussion. Thanks, Luke and Chuck. Thank you for listening and hanging out with us here at Half Century Hangout. We certainly want you to follow us on your favorite podcast apps. Take a look at us out on Facebook and what other platforms are we on?
Speaker 3:We are on Twitter. We are on TikTok and Instagram.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Hey, Luke, you got a quote for us this time I do my old buddy Gustav Mahler. Gustav Gustav, I love the name. He was a composer back in the 1800s. Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Thanks again for hanging out with us here at Half Century Hangout. Come back next week.
Speaker 3:Peace out, peace out guys. Bye, hang out, come back next week. Peace out, peace out guys. Thank you.
