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How does the 'Participation Trophy' influence work and life?
What if the true value of a Super Bowl ring extends beyond the scoreboard? Join us for a lively discussion as we dissect Philadelphia's defensive triumph and Kansas City's offensive woes in the recent Super Bowl. While the halftime show dazzled with a Buick GNX and its special significance, we also weave in listener feedback on the contentious topic of participation trophies. Do they offer encouragement or undermine true achievements? Our recording might be in Luke's cozy garage, but the conversation is as expansive as ever.
Welcome back to Half Century Hangout. How are things going? Today I heard that we did have a Super Bowl. I'm not sure how super it was.
Speaker 2:The big, easy beatdown.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's all I got to say. What a surprise that was.
Speaker 2:That's what tells you. When you have a crappy offensive line, that's what happens.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or you have an exceptional defensive line. I think that could be both. Philly was on top of it.
Speaker 2:They were, but I think that Casey's O-line shit the bed, sorry yeah maybe they did.
Speaker 1:It was a bit of both.
Speaker 3:It was a bit of both. Yeah, I was super surprised at that, though. I mean 27-0 at the half, 24. 24-0 at the half, I thought it was 27.
Speaker 1:No, because 25 was the record, and they were at 24. Gotcha.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely a beat down, beat down. Kansas City was never really in the game.
Speaker 1:No they didn't have a shot. They did score at the end, but you know, that was about it, I mean there was a few dimes he threw at the end.
Speaker 2:You know like tosses them out there. It's good. Yeah, helped out a few parlays along the way you know, yeah, sure. Otherwise it was garbage, Garbage time.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Was there a halftime show Sorry?
Speaker 3:You know there was something about that. The best part about the halftime show was the Buick oh.
Speaker 2:I got a little trivia on that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So that Buick that was up there, that is not just a Grand National, it's a GNX, which was the up of the Grand National 1987. And that's the name of his album. Okay, but the reason that he named it and where it comes from is that is the car that his dad had that he brought him home from the hospital in.
Speaker 1:You know, I'd heard that that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was. I mean, that part was cool, but you did realize that they had it staged on there. It was a fake car, yeah, and people came from under the stage because like 100 people came out of the car.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They weren't all just packed in there in the backseat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know why?
Speaker 2:but I don't think the backseat of a Buick Regal was that big. No, oh, I don't even really.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it gets bigger, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I remember when those cars first came out I wasn't a big fan of them back in the late 80s. Yeah, I didn't really value them for what they were because I was used to the bling, you know, the chrome bumpers, all that kind of stuff, and they didn't have any of that. Deuce and a quarter, yes, but anyway, anyway, anyway, enough about the big time to move on huh feedback.
Speaker 3:We got feedback, yes, we got some great feedback. First of all, I want to give a shout out to adam in lincoln. Uh was talking to him over the weekend and he said that he really enjoyed the podcast, that it was very informative, uh, fun, um, and so that was. That was kind of cool. Um, again, you know my uh becky from day Ohio. She chimed in and she actually left a message on the Facebook page. So I'm grateful for her input. And again, if you guys are listening and want some input, definitely go to our Facebook page, half Century Hangout and leave us a message.
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Speaker 3:Kenan from Council Bluffs. He loves the show Faithful listener Subscribed, actually so he follows us on Apple podcast. Awesome, that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:So you know, that was the other thing, I was laughing. We don't record that opening. You know, every time I mean it's prerecorded, we put it in. You know, john says in the opening grab a seat. Well, today we grabbed a drink. We're back in Luke's garage.
Speaker 3:Yes, I love Luke's garage. I love hanging out in Luke's garage.
Speaker 2:It's fun and we get a little bit of a respite tomorrow because we're supposed to hit some bad weather. So our boss said you know?
Speaker 1:remote learning day Remote learning, remote learning we're all in education and you know, because a lot of learning happens remotely, absolutely. Maybe Maybe it does, it can, it definitely can.
Speaker 2:And you know, one of the things I mean you can talk about that feedback, chuck, because I know you had some pretty specific stuff, but we're kind of tagging along with it today. So OK, let's rip it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so kind of a follow up from last week's episode regarding participation trophies. Becky writes in. She says hey, on one hand, receiving a participation trophy could give that person false hope of maybe thinking that they are good at whatever the event is, and also does it diminish the value of the person who has a real achievement. That's a good question. What are your guys' thoughts?
Speaker 2:I think we touched on it last week a little bit, I mean a tad, and that's great feedback and that's real specific and that's the way we like it. You know that it really hits to the note and I think that's why we wanted to continue with it today, to not only address the feedback but take it a little further and I think that she hits the point right there where it says if you have, whatever the team is, whatever the group is, whatever that is, if somebody is a stellar participant, whatever that means, in whatever activity it is, whatever that is, if somebody is a stellar participant, whatever that means, in whatever activity is, and everybody on that group gets this I'm just calling air quotes here, participation trophy. Whatever that comes by, does it diminish or does it build up the people that think they really did something special? Does it take away from the person that really, really did something special and they look and say, hey, that guy got the same thing that I did yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do, but I and I think it's, I think there's an age appropriation with this for sure, because I mean if, if we're talking into high school and we're still looking for participation, trophies or recognition for just being a part of something, rather than just being thankful that you are a part of something, I think there's a difference there. But I still think if, like 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, maybe 11 years old, I think there's benefit, 10, maybe 11 years old, I think there's benefit, and I don't think you're necessarily hurting that competitive kid who is, you know, excelling.
Speaker 1:I think you just said it excel. I think it has to do with excellence. Are you striving for that excellence? Striving to get better every day, not necessarily winning, but getting better and becoming the best at your craft, whatever that craft is?
Speaker 3:Sure, but I mean. The question is does it diminish the value of the person who has the real achievement? Is? Does it diminish the value of the person who has the real achievement? If I'm 11, I don't think it diminishes my value, but a participation trophy could encourage an 8, 9, 10, 11-year-old in ways that we may not even realize.
Speaker 2:It could. I don't disagree with that necessarily, but we keep coming back to this thing about the age appropriateness of it. What about what just happened? And we talked about the beginning super bowl who gets? The ring, who gets rings in that winning organization? Who gets a super bowl ring? Every single person, every single person, even and even even.
Speaker 1:So, the players, the front office, hey, the people who were there say you had somebody that was a groundskeeper at kansas city. Somebody said they had a fraternity brother that was a groundskeeper at kansas city. That wouldn't be that had a ring.
Speaker 2:But that's my point here's my here's, here's where I was going with that and I and I know I don't know exactly how far down the line those rings go I know a lot of people get them right. Something like that is a huge accomplishment, right? No matter where you are in the thing. Why do they ever come up for sale? When you see Super Bowl rings up for sale, somebody there doesn't really have, yeah, it's cool. But you know what? They don't have this sense of accomplishment like oh my gosh, I could never get rid of this because I was the G. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:I don't know that, you know that, oh, I know that I don't know that you honestly can say, hey, the janitor at the Kansas City Chiefs stadium doesn't really value and know his contribution to the, to the organization. I think that's a like a straw man.
Speaker 2:I don't know that. I don't know that he doesn't necessarily know what his contribution was, but it doesn't hold the same salt, it's not the same thing, like he's. Like I'm never giving this ring up because, man, I'm gonna, my grandkids are gonna see it, my great-grandkids and people down the line, yeah, I so what is your argument on that?
Speaker 3:why? Why should he not get one?
Speaker 2:I don't think he not, he shouldn't get one. I just think that I don't want to pigeonhole the conversation into saying that everybody who gets this participation trophy doesn't think of it the same way, because that's really. What it comes down to me is that if I'm on a team who didn't do crap, we didn't win anything, we didn't do whatever and we all got this trophy, what am I going to do with that thing? We have a coworker who told us the other day and her kids are younger they don't give a crap about them. Sure, those things wind up in the garbage. You know it's. It's not like it's it's. It's not like it's this thing that I think that there might be and, chuck, you've said it a few times and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you that there might be that kid once in a while. It's like oh.
Speaker 2:I got this thing, I'm going to do it again next year, or I'm going to try it again next year, or whatever it is. I don't disagree with that. But I think when we look at it as far as excellence or excelling at something or working hard enough, I think I think that it does more entitlement, that it does pushing that work ethic further for a kid that's what I think, all right that's just my thing so talk about the philadelphia eagles, let's say the winners of the super bowl, right, um I?
Speaker 3:and if you want to take it down to a custodian level, I don't even know if they get it, but let's say they do. I don't think a custodian is going to think that they had the same contribution to the organization that Hertz had or that Saquon Barkley had. Well, I would hope not. I don't think they're going to think that. Well, I would hope not. I don't think they're going to think that. But I do think that whether they value it enough to hold on to it maybe they fall under some financial hardship and they have to sell it it doesn't mean they value or undervalue that experience of being a part of that organization for that period of time. It just means I mean we don't know what it means because we don't really know that.
Speaker 2:But doesn't that also come about because of how whatever that organization is is built? Because there's some organizations where you know what that custodian is. Oh my gosh, they celebrate them and they do their thing and they figure it out.
Speaker 1:So what you might be talking about is a little bit of culture. There's a story from NASA. From NASA, when they were going to the moon, they would tell everybody, even the janitor, you're a part of putting a man on the moon, which is you're a part of being a Super Bowl winning team, and that's a culture that you it is Really that's a culture that you.
Speaker 2:it is really that's a culture, I agree, and so that that goes beyond the, the participation trophy that you get.
Speaker 1:You know um part of it is how do you help people be excellent, how do you help people be excellent and move beyond just winning games or whatever it is, but is that participation trophy helping people be excellent?
Speaker 2:so you know, I was I was laughing because, um, I like the research and I like to look at things and see. And when we were talking about this and Chuck, you know, anytime I get a chance to bash on the state of Ohio, I take it. And it was interesting because I know last segment we talked about when we thought these became kind of like the thing and we said it was kind of right after the time that we were kids.
Speaker 3:You know it was in that you know, 80s, early 80s, maybe not, maybe into the 90s whatever it was 90s yeah 1922 22.
Speaker 2:The ohio state invitational high school basketball tournament gave participation trophies to every athlete who played in the invite. Okay, in the invite it was an invite, yeah it wasn't. That was the first time that they've ever in history seen that everybody involved in something got this award.
Speaker 3:And I don't know the circumstances around that basketball invitation.
Speaker 2:I don't think any one of these people ever played sports again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but it could be that maybe that was a special invite. It could have been you know to where the best get to go, but we kind of you know to where the best the best get to go.
Speaker 2:But we kind of you know, I was looking at it as as we, and we keep talking about sports and that's important to us because we all follow sports and you know I'm part of it, we're all part of it, right, but I also.
Speaker 2:We're in education and we've talked about this a little bit and one of the things that I found that was really interesting was this it's not necessarily the participation trophy, but it's the same concept and you can call it grade inflation, you can call it these different things, and it's about assessing performance, whether that's in the classroom, whether that's an employee, whether that's an executive, whoever it is.
Speaker 2:And one of the things that I found that was really interesting about it was that when the Vietnam War was going on, they had started to decide that people who were mainly men at the time but it was still women as well, but mainly men at the time if they were in college they were deferred on being selected to be in the service in the draft, but then they started to change and said that those who were intellectually higher the line and moved it up a little bit, which turned into grade inflation, where they were getting professors or they were getting people to, hey, give me a better grade so I don't get drafted and go to Vietnam. So it kind of turns into this thing where are we inflating things based on like John was talking about excellence, or is it for real that we are giving something an award, a promotion, a grade, anything based on what have you done for me? What have you done based on what is expected?
Speaker 1:And what have you learned? What have you?
Speaker 3:learned. I mean what you actually explained there was fraud.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, but think about it. We've seen that and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:is that there's, I mean, how many guys? Let's be honest here, like you said, fraud and that's 100%. We talk about busts in the NFL, right? You see guys that are on teams that are there and it's like, oh my gosh, that guy really is hit way out of the park Like he had a great tryout, but he's really not, you know.
Speaker 3:Tony.
Speaker 2:Mandritz is just one comes to my head. Right, yeah, do those guys really deserve a Super Bowl ring? If they were on the team? I don't know If you never saw the field, if you were never there, I mean, yeah, but that's the thing is it's fraud. Some of it you can see. There's false inflation of things, of people's, either a performance or their participation, or it could go the other way to where it's deflation, where somebody is there and trying but they actually get bumped further down.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so. Luke, I'm going to take us in a different direction. What do you think of? You know, we're in high school, we, we work with high school kids. I'm not in high school yeah, we're not in high school, we're 50, we're a long way from high school right but anyway, uh, we work with high school kids and and what do you think? Think about the sports and maybe some of the clubs.
Speaker 2:I knew you were going there yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you, and this is the thing this is this is what I feel, and I'm just gonna throw john's john's kicking back because he's gonna put his feet up and taking that while I talk well, you know it, it's all about luke.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, that's the way it is.
Speaker 2:I think that there's been a very, very strong, a very, very definite product that has happened with youth, with high school sports, with kids participating based on what some of us call club sports, some of us call it select, all these things. When I was growing up and you guys were all about the same time, pretty close If somebody would have said select sports back then I don't know that I really knew that word. Some people called it travel ball or some people called it some other things Right, where you had a tryout. Like you went, you had a tryout and you had to make this team Right, which just a tryout in and of itself tells you the people on this team.
Speaker 3:Are exclusive.
Speaker 2:Are exclusive on some level. Sure, according to someone.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So, as that occurred which I'm not saying was good or bad, but there were those kids and then the rest of us played in either just our high school teams or in recreational leagues or whatever it was, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that participation, right that select slash club sport has watered down the system to the point where if a parent, if they're able to and more power to them if they're able to write a check for the registration for that league, they're in.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's no tryout, they're just, they're in it.
Speaker 3:They can write a check. They're good.
Speaker 2:They're good, they're in. There's, generally speaking speaking. There's parent coaches. There's some coaches that are there. They're not getting paid for what they're doing I mean they're volunteer coaches right. There's probably some that are right based on the idea that it's their league or whatever it is and they're they're getting some sort of compensation for that. But I think the overall thing has been by a lot of parents is that if my kid plays in this dog gone it. They're going to rule your high school team.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which I think is wrong, because just because you were on or in a club sport and or a select team or whatever that is, it really doesn't mean anything as far as how you compare to where these other kids are. I don't think it really makes much of anything, because if I say that now this is the other thing I need to qualify, here, I need to do a what do you call those things? A disclaimer A lot of times I speak in words where I'll I'll give a strong opinion about something. It is not, in and of itself, exclusive.
Speaker 2:I'm not always saying everyone or every person or every kid or every club. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that I think as a whole there's there's a bit of problem, especially in certain sports, which we could go there at some point, but the idea is that it rules it to the point that kids not as much participate across sports, that they're multi-sport athletes because the coaches in club sports are asking them, slash, telling them and their parents are because they're paying for it. You're a one-sport kid, sure, which we all know is not that's like that's not good.
Speaker 1:That's like taking math class all year long, right you can't do that.
Speaker 2:We need to be multi-faceted across the world. That's what's going to happen when you're an adult. You can't do that as a kid.
Speaker 3:So I think in a nutshell, john, you asked the question and that was a great question, but I could go on for hours about it and I don't want to do that no, I think what I think what can happen on both sides of this argument is you have the, you know the polarization right, so you can say everybody gets a participation trophy and you know it's, it's all good in every circumstance, circumstance for however long you want to do it, or you could say it's never any good and so let's just abandon the whole entire idea. But what I do and even with club sports, I think you can do that same thing with club sports the value to me in club sports, if it's handled properly, is development. Yeah, 100%. So you know you have your select league league right, the, the primo league that they're going to be the ones that's travel.
Speaker 3:But a lot of those, um, uh, club teams also have, you know, developmental like abcd types of levels to where they use that as a as development. It still costs an awful lot of money. Yeah, and I think if they are taking away and and like cornholing an athlete into a single sport would be it basketball or, you know, football or soccer, whatever it is if they're cornholing that kid at a super young age, I think that's not good for that athlete let me, let me, let me be clear about something what I?
Speaker 2:what I want to say is that I agree with everything you just said. What I think the problem is, the problem with it is not it winds up being on the kid's plate. What I think the problem is is that, like you said, if a kid is in the select and he's the highest level, he or she is up here at the highest level, but the other ones are in a club sport and they're there and there's supposed to be development going on, and maybe they're not the greatest player, but their parents have put down some money and they're doing it. Like you said, it's still expensive. Sure, I think it falls more in the parent, because the parent then thinks oh well, my kid was in this and so now, as a coach at a high school sport, you have parents coming to you saying my kid should be starting because they've been in this club, whatever it is, and that's the problem. I mean, the kid is a kid. You know what I mean. And the development, like you said, is absolutely 100%.
Speaker 2:I agree with. I don't know that it. There's always intention, right, there's good intentions of doing it. Nobody has bad intentions for kids to do that. It's the idea that if there's going to be development, let's develop them and let's make sure that parents understand when they come to the high school level. It's like guess what? We're all going into the same pot, we're all here and if you're scaling, we all know. Now, with nil and all the kids changing schools and doing things, it's a different world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know what? If you're going to be committed to it and you're going to be there and you like the coach and you like the program and you love the school, and you're there and you're committed, you're going to work harder, you're going to do it. And if you feel entitled to the piece that I should be a starter on this team, even if I'm not good enough, yeah here's what I think.
Speaker 1:I think that goes back to culture, because what you're doing is developing a culture where people get better, or you're developing a culture where you're saying you are already there and you deserve to start wherever you are Right, and, and so I think that goes back to a culture of building up excellence and getting better every day and working hard every day. You talked about that working hard and developing those skills, whatever it is and some people develop skills at different times and it could be in any organization. We're talking about not just sports, but it could be any organization. So that goes back to the culture of building that culture of excellence, not winning every time, but getting better incrementally along the way, so that we are the best we can be when we get there.
Speaker 2:And it's great that you brought up the culture piece again, because we all know of the culture piece that we work within the P for pride, as we call it. Pride is for participation, right? Yep, so that's the very first thing, because you're not gonna do anything without that, right? Yeah, you've got respect with the R, right, you've got integrity with the I. You got dedication and just being there and dedicating yourself, and that E is for effort. So all those things that we've talked about are the culture piece that John's talking about, and I think that it's so important to do that and to continue to build it in this world where a kid can say I'm leaving here because the grass is greener over there, and I'm leaving right now and I'm going, and that's tough, yeah, because old school guys like us to see that it's like I would have never, even if I wanted to back in the day, if I would have wanted to go to another school, that ain't going to happen. It's not going to happen and my dad would have.
Speaker 3:So you, you know, let's talk outside. Let's talk outside athletics and talk outside education. Maybe we're talking to somebody, or somebody's listening corporate level right corporate. Maybe they work for the phone company, or they're a plumber or whatever right. What is the equivalent of a participation trophy and how could it help or hurt their organization?
Speaker 1:I think that an equivalent of that is showing up coming to work and just getting by, Right, Just getting by. And you're collecting a paycheck.
Speaker 2:Sometimes we see that right, I think that's the thing. Like John just said, it, I think the participation trophy for and I don't want to say it this way because it sounds really negative, but if you want to say the expected level or the lowest expectation, whatever, it's the paycheck. Absolutely Right, you bet bet like you guys said, you've been in places before where you were rewarded for for something above and beyond like monetarily, you got something forgiving more.
Speaker 1:You got more than what your paycheck got right and and, like my son, does the same thing.
Speaker 2:He has this and we talk about it a lot and he's, he's. He's really taught me a lot more about it, because obviously in education we don't have that right. But it's like I think that that is the participation trophy, and when we talk with kids about working in the future and we talk about being in class or we talk about doing something they're like, well, you know my dad, I'll just go work at whatever donald's and, and if I'll show up a paycheck and you know what, that's okay.
Speaker 1:but here's, here's the thing. What you have to build is that opportunity, first of all, and the willingness to be excellent in what you are giving to the organization so that you get better every day through the determination and the effort that you're giving to that organization and that helps you along the way and it helps your organization. So you've got to build that culture where people want to be there and they want to do their best.
Speaker 3:Well, if I'm a small business owner, there really is no participation trophy, because I'm competing every single day to get some business there could be a participation trophy.
Speaker 1:It depends, like you said, small business.
Speaker 2:I'll think of it this way To me participation trophy. If you're doing it, I've got a guy who is an HVAC guy, right?
Speaker 1:An HVAC.
Speaker 2:If he's there and he does a dang good job and I feel like he did a good job. He was fair, he was honest, he was not ringing me through the ringer you know, whatever it is, I referred my neighbor to him.
Speaker 2:I referred a person who was on my coaching staff. I got a guy who was my boss, who I referred to him because I will, because I trust him, and that for him as a small him, because I will, because I trust him, and that for him as a small, he's a small business right, that to him means more than what a participation trophy would be, not just going and getting paid. It's that somebody believes in him, somebody trusts him enough to say, hey, you're my friend, use this guy because he's really, really dang good so I guess at the end of the day, for me I seem to maybe fall on both sides of this argument.
Speaker 3:and um, because again that age appropriation comes into play, I don't know that a participation trophy mentality can translate into the adult life, because any job I've ever been at, you're always going to have people who are going to do the good job right. They come to work, they grind every day, they make it happen and they're your dependables. You're always going to have your high performers and you're always going to have those guys who you're just grateful they get there that day, you know.
Speaker 2:And I think, or ungrateful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean you're always going to have those types of people, but think about what you just said I'm sorry, no, go Go with it.
Speaker 2:Think about what you just said is'm sorry, no, go go with it. Think about what you just said is that you're always going to have those people that are up there, right they're? Busting every day. They're grinding, they're doing their thing. So if you're in a company, I'm stepping outside the other world. Right, you're in a company. You got these people that are there banging. Right, they're going at it, they are keeping you there. You got the other ones that you said you're grateful they show up. Why are we grateful if they show up?
Speaker 1:I say nah to that, because I don't want.
Speaker 3:You just said nah, nah, I don't even know, what that means.
Speaker 1:I don't want people that just show up.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I want people that show up and go above and beyond every day, because I've created the culture.
Speaker 2:What we want is the people that show up every day but then say God, you know what, this place is a great place to work. I'm going to amp it, I'm going to jump it up.
Speaker 3:So for me, I guess, the participation trophy is going to be for that person. That I mean they may be an underperformer, I don't know until they're there, right, Right, I mean they may be an underperformer, I don't know until they're there, right, Right. I mean you only get so much at an interview, and so it could be that that person's participation trophy is the fact that they're on my staff. So what you have to do as a culture of a company, or as you manage a business, as you lead that particular business unit or whatever, as you lead that particular business unit or whatever, is you have to have a plan for those lower you know, it's usually a 5% to 7% in your staff that's going to be the low performers a plan to develop them and make them into at least the mediocre, if you can.
Speaker 3:Then they got to go right.
Speaker 2:Some leaders decide they got to go. Some leaders decide right away Is that person? Can we develop them? Or are they done right? Some leaders go a little faster than others to do it. It's just the way it is. But I think that hits the nail on the head and I think, with your age thing, I think that's a big part of it that's a great way to wrap things up, I think, and and um got any statistics for us, for any other things that went on for the podcast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean the podcast is doing really good. Our last episode did really well. We have, I think, about 178 or 179 downloads. Our next level, according to Buzzsprout, to get like the reward is like 250. So I think we're doing really well. I think our goal and our main objective is to develop really good content so that the people that are listening to this podcast will say, hey, you need to listen to these guys because it's interesting, it's informative, it's entertaining to some perspective on some level. But I'm super stoked with what's going on. What other things should I be sharing about this guys?
Speaker 2:I think you got it all there I think we're there, I think it's good, and we can't stress enough that we are. It's not even that we just want it. We like need it. I want to talk about things that people want to hear about. I mean I could talk all day, but if nobody wants to listen to me, it doesn't make any difference. We want to talk about things that people want to hear about. I mean, I could talk all day, but if nobody wants to listen to me it doesn't make any difference.
Speaker 2:We want to hear about things you know that people want to hear about, if they want our opinion on something. I don't think anybody here is afraid to give their opinion.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'd like to do that again because, even like in our intro right, it's about changing minds, it's about looking at things, it's about learning, it's about hearing other people's things and saying, hey, I never really thought of it that way. You know what? Maybe I'll change my mind. You never know.
Speaker 3:And you know, here's the thing. We're in the Omaha metro area, omaha Council Bluffs, and if you are a local business or you have a place where we could come and hang out and you want to host, us for this podcast give us a ring.
Speaker 3:We would love to sit down at your place of business, whether it's a bar or a restaurant or a coffee house or whatever. We'd love to sit down and have you host us and we'd include you in our show. So with that, I'd like to let you know. Maybe we might have. So we definitely have a refurbished logo coming. So if you go to our Facebook page, you'll see our logo. It's kind of crappy because I'm the one who made it.
Speaker 2:I don't really think it's crappy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know we got a guy.
Speaker 2:It looks like it's from the 60s, on a street somewhere with a bar. I like it.
Speaker 3:We got a guy from Creative Club Designs who's tweaking it a little bit and he's going to give us some love on it, so we're looking forward to that.
Speaker 2:I will tell you that we're going to wrap up here. But the next time that we put an episode out, chuck might be a little not quite himself, because he's going to lose in a chili cook-off that we're in this weekend. Chuck, because he's going to lose in a chili cook-off that we're in this weekend and Chuck's going to be a little hurt about it, and that's okay because you know what it's all about excellence and what are you going to find that the people love and we love you guys and we just want to keep going. So keep listening, keep going. We love you, give us feedback. We're good to go.
Speaker 3:Merch is coming, so love you guys, we'll see you. Peace out.
